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Telecon 20171107
Attending: Brian, Julian, Al, Roger, Jeff, Jacques, Jon G.
Agenda:
- Preparations for TeamX in Dec.
- Finalizing optics with/out deployables + focal system (Karl, Qi)
- Telescope: material, alignment, testing
- Cooling
- Mission
- Scan angles (Gorski)
- TM data rates [as a function of smallest beam size (??)]
- Systematics + noise
- Combining our telecons with systematics group
- impact of low frequency noise
- Sidelobes (Grasp / Analytical calculation)
- Gain stability
- pol angle calibration
Notes
Prep for Team-X meeting in mid-Dec. They will cover telescope + focal plane + Cooling = instrument
- Optics of 1.2m vs 1.4m. 1.4m open has better resolution and sensitivity.
- No glaring issues with open, even though it is less traditional.
- Brian: Does baffle create sidelobes?
- Shaul: Goal is to do a basic GRASP calculation to figure this out. In contact with Brad Johnson
- Karl will calculate sensitivity of crossed at 4K. Maybe something to pursue.
- Should we go to Team-X with multiple options?
- Al: They tend to split their time evenly amongst options they are given. Would need to make clear what our focus is if we bring multiple options. Prefer taking just 1 workable option. It's time to finish with optics and move focus to other issues which need work.
- Shaul: Our case is 1 basic framework with options being changes on top of this.
- Al: Team-X can do this if the scope is made clear in pre-session. However may not be most effecient use of Team-X time/expertise.
- Gathering telescope quotes:
- Brain, JPL, and Shaul.
- Components are fraction of cost. Majority of cost is testing.
- Al: WMAP testing was cold photograms, warm beams, accounted for cooling deformation with models
- Jacques: Planck testing was sidelobes warm, deformation and alignment as mirror cooled, no end-to-end cold test with flight system.
- CORE estimate, very unofficial, was $10-20 million
- Cooling:
- Chris Payne working on strategy
- continuous ADR cost from Goddard slow to come in. Working on this.
- Possible single shot ADR from Europe. planned for Athena mission.
- Jacques: Same group is developing continuous ADR. Probably low TRL currently. Jacques willing to connect people if needed. (not needed currently)
- Roger: Will send around BLISS ADR system. Was a bench test system at JPL.
Skip Mission discussion for now, deadline in March although work needs to begin.
Systematics
- What do we need for 1/f? Sidelobes? Gain stability? pol angle calibration? And how to simulate this.
- Sidelobes: Estimate in GRASP via Brad J.
- Jacques: This job is very large and approximations are often done.
- Shaul: Plan is to do a course model to get representative levels.
- Julian: Simulation pipelines exist to take scan + sidelobes, produce maps, and estimate systematic errors in parameters.
- need proper inputs
- simulation of mitigation of sidelobes is harder. Need a way to estimate your sidelobes and your mitigation method separately, then combine in simulation.
- typically simulate each systematic separately, then do 1 sim with all systematics to see overall effects.
- Shaul: this can get infinitely complex. We'll focus on the 3 issues highlited by systematics group first.
- All these are doable, suggestion: Do 4-5 locations on focal plane.
- Jacques: do 4 detectors simultaneously so you get 1 Q and 1 U measurement.
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